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Photo: Melinda Sue GordonI know that in the Official America Undefeated Since 1776 Shirt in other words I will buy this earlier versions of the script, Mollie was more peripheral. How did you feel about that? It’s… you know, it’s hard to say. I have no idea what Mollie’s weight would have been in the story when it was about Tom White, but I speculate that it wouldn’t have been the same. I remember what I read for my earliest audition, and it was actually kind of funny—the scenes between Mollie and Ernest felt very loaded and there was a lot of exposition, so I was a little worried that Mollie wasn’t maybe as big of a character as she should’ve been, or as she deserves to be in this story. When I got the new script, I could tell immediately that there had been a big change, because it was then that I was given the space to do what I’m able to do in the film, which is to fill the space and respond situationally without relying too much on dialogue to tell the audience what’s going on. I thought, “Okay, now I can show him what I can do.”

For me, it was about taking this opportunity to explore a woman who is so unconditionally loving that it’s easy for people to just take what they need from her constantly. I think we all know a woman like that, and we also live on a planet like that. That was something that came up when we were talking about the Official America Undefeated Since 1776 Shirt in other words I will buy this grand narrative of this piece and why we’re making this film—at this point in world history, with the state of the climate as it is, you have to think about the way that Western pre-industrialized society viewed the planet. It was seen as something to extract resources from for personal gain, as if those resources were bottomless. With Mollie, she is such a grounding presence in the film and such a vital and precious member of the Osage community. When you look at photos of her, there’s so much life in her eyes, and this incredible strength and self-possession. Her legacy in that community is a lasting one—she was among the delegation that went to speak to [President Calvin] Coolidge [about the plight of the Osage]. And [spoiler alert], it’s not in this film, but it’s important to me that people know that Mollie, once she divorced Ernest, she didn’t just cut and run—she went back and got the money from him that he’d embezzled from her. So, even though she’d been weakened during this period of time with the “insulin” she was being given—a lot of people at the time were being poisoned in this way, and it was likely arsenic—and even though she died young, at 50, before she passed, she managed to get between $12,000 and $13,000 from Ernest. It just goes to show that she wasn’t defeated. She didn’t roll over. She survived everything imaginable.And as someone who is Native American but not Osage, how aware were you of this history?

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